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Follow along with the transcript below for episode: What We Learned from the World Happiness Report with Deborah K. Heisz [INTRODUCTION]   [00:00:02] PF: Thank you for joining us for episode 410 of Live Happy Now. Is it just my imagination? Or is the world getting happier? I'm your host, Paula Felps. This week, I'm sitting down with Live Happy Co-Founder and CEO, Deborah Heisz, to talk about how we're doing when it comes to happiness. Every year on the International Day of Happiness, the Sustainable Development Solutions Network releases its World Happiness Report. Deb's here to talk with me about some of her takeaways from this year's report and why it appears that our happiness is improving. Let's have a listen. [INTERVIEW] [00:00:38] PF: Deb, thank you for taking time from down under to come on and talk to me about the World Happiness Report. [00:00:44] DB: I am actually excited to be able to do this. This comes out every year on the International Day of Happiness. I had a weird experience this year, Paula. [00:00:52] PF: I love this. [00:00:52] DB: I got on an airplane. I got on an airplane on the 19th of March, and I got off the airplane on the 21st of March because of the timezone changes. So I actually missed the entire International Day of Happiness because I was on a flight to Australia this year. So this is my way of celebrating. [00:01:07] PF: That’s so funny. Yes. Because we were talking about that I was in Dallas with the rest of the Live Happy team, and we were talking about the irony of Deb Heisz missing the Day of Happiness, not just not being able to participate. I mean, completely missing that day. [00:01:23] DB: I had no International Day of Happiness. So talking to you today about the World Happiness Report is my way of celebrating the International Day of Happiness. I'm super excited about it. [00:01:32] PF: This report we really waited for every year. It's something that, I guess, we're a little bit of happiness geeks, and it's very exciting to us to be able to sit down, see what's going on. This year's report, it's the 11th year of the report. It's really showing that even though we had some really tough years, the last three years have been tough on us. But around the world, people are showing a remarkable amount of resilience. I think what struck me so much of the news, and we've had so many discussions about it too, is about how anxiety and depression have really increased during the pandemic and since then. So honestly, I was surprised to see how well we're doing. I wanted to get your takeaway on that. [00:02:14] DB: So, Paula, I do think that there is an increase in anxiety and depression. I think, well, number one, we hear a lot about it because the news focuses on it. News is always negative, always the negative outcomes of things. But I also think if you look at various groups, the lack of social interaction, we know how important relationships are to overall happiness, the Harvard study that's been going on where they talked about how relationships are really the most important thing. But when people are isolated and they aren't able to get together, of course, it fed their anxiety and depression. If you look at young people, people who missed their high school graduations or their proms or had to start university classes in their house and their mom's office because universities weren't doing in-person classes, of course, there's more anxiety and depression, and the world's changed a little bit. But we have to remind ourselves that isn't really what the Happiness Report is about. It isn't really what happiness overall is about. It's about overall well-being. Particularly, the Happiness Report is about population’s well-being. There's a lot of things that changed during the pandemic, that I'm not surprised that we're resilient. People went to the office less. People spent less time in traffic as a result. [00:03:25] PF: That will cheer you up right there. [00:03:27] DB: Absolutely. There are definitely some positive outcomes. But, really, when we're talking about happiness, we aren’t talking about this essentially an absence of anxiety and depression. We're talking about overall well-being. Are you living the life you're meant to live? Of course, we hope that comes with less of those negative things. Really, when you're talking about it as a population or as about a community, it's very different than on an individual basis. So I don't find those two things to be in contrast. [00:03:54] PF: Can you talk about that a little bit more? Because the happiness that people think about, typically, is a lot different than what we often talk about when we are talking about well-being. [00:04:05] DB: So I think a lot of people are short-term outcome-based in a lot of things. They think about, “Oh, if I get that, I'm going to be happy,” or, “When that happens, I'm going to be happy.” Then they define happiness. It’s things like, “I went to that concert last night, and I got to see Taylor Swift, and that was my lifelong dream, and I'm so happy.” That’s fleeting because the next day you go back to the office, you go back to the classroom, and you're right back in whatever your life was like. That gave you a momentary pleasure. You know what they call hedonic happiness, really, where you have this momentary pleasure that brings you excitement and elevates your oxytocin and you feel good about it. That's not what we talk about when we talk about happiness. The type of happiness we talk about is typically called eudaimonic happiness. Not typically called, but I know people that study it that know those big words. [00:04:57] PF: Those science-brained people. [00:04:59] DB: Yes, those science-brained. Not us right-brained creative types, but those science-brained types. Yes. So what they're really talking about is are you living a happy life. Does your life have the meaning that you expect? Are you congruent in what you're doing? Or is your overall well-being happy? That's really what they're talking about. They're not talking about this fleeting emotion. We don't tend to talk about that because that's momentary. What you really want is a life that you feel like is well-lived. The best way I’ve heard this described is – well, I'm going to use two definitions. Number one is the definition that I've heard Shawn Achor use, and I think he's gotten this from Martin Seligman. But what we're talking about is the happiness that you feel when you're striving towards your potential, which, to me, describes fulfillment. Then the other way I've heard it described is when you get to the end of your life, are you going to look back and say, “Did I live a happy life?” That's the life we're talking about. That's what we mean by happiness. [00:06:00] PF: Right, right. Not that day in, day out because we all have up and down. We have good days and bad days, and it doesn't mean we're unhappy if we're having a bad day. [00:06:10] DB: Well, bad things happen to all of us. I mean, no one goes through life without bad things happening to them. No one expects you to be happy in the traditional way you think about it, the hedonic way you think about it, when you're attending a funeral, right? [00:06:22] PF: Right, right. [00:06:24] DB: We all have negative things that happen. We all lose. Well, those of us who are dog lovers, we all lose pets. We all have challenges in our lives. Some are huge, and some are not huge. But it doesn't mean you're happy in the hedonic sense every day. But it means that you're living the life you're supposed to live. [00:06:43] PF: Right. Do you think the pandemic actually helped us become more aware of that? Because I hear people expressing gratitude more and being more aware of just the fact like, “Oh, my gosh. I can get out, and I can be around people, and I can do all these things.” So do you think that has helped made us more content? [00:07:01] DB: I have an interesting way I've started thinking about the pandemic, and I'm going to use the words the great timeout, right? [00:07:08] PF: Oh, I don’t know that. You should trademark that. [00:07:11] DB: Maybe I should. Maybe we should cut it from the podcast, so I can trademark it later. The pandemic was the great timeout. You know I'm a sports fanatic, right? [00:07:21] PF: Yes. [00:07:22] DB: But I have my children playing sports. So they're very into ice hockey. Well, my older two are. So the coaches emphasize that ice hockey is kind of a year-round sport. But one of their coaches emphasizes, “I want you not to do anything hockey-related for two weeks. It's the great timeout so that you can evaluate what it is that you need to work on, what it is that you want to change.” I think if you look at the pandemic as this great timeout, it allowed people to re-examine how they had been spending their time, reexamine what they had been doing with their time. Yes, they were missing a lot of those things. But I think there's a lot of those things they weren't missing. It allowed them to look at what impact they were having what they really wanted out of life in a way that for generations probably had not presented itself. [00:08:19] PF: I'll be right back with more of my conversation with Deborah Heisz about the World Happiness Report. But right now, it's time to bring back Kate Vastano to talk about the adventures of Kittles. Kate, welcome back. [00:08:31] KV: Thank you, Paula. [00:08:32] PF: Well, as we told listeners last week, we hook Kittles up with a gorgeous cat tree from Mau Pets. So how's he like it? [00:08:39] KV: He absolutely loves it. We've had other cat trees before where he's kind of lost interest after a couple days, wasn’t super into them. He loves snuggling in the thing, and it is his favorite. [00:08:51] PF: I love hearing that. So what do you love most about it? [00:08:54] KV: Oh, I love, first of all, the design. But I also love that it's made from sustainably sourced wood and has natural wood branches. So it doesn't look manufactured. It doesn't look like something you'd buy at like a generic pet store. Plus, all the parts are replaceable. So if something happens, it's easy to swap them out. As you know, I have three kids, two large dogs, and a cat. So our house is crazy sometimes, and I know it's a matter of time before something gets broken. Or a kid climbs into it and breaks it. I love that there's a replacement aspect to it as well. It's not one of those ugly-looking ones that you want to tuck away somewhere. It literally looks like something you'd find in a museum. It's so beautiful and modern-looking. [00:09:33] PF: If you're ready to upgrade your pet’s furniture, visit maupets.com. That's M-A-Upets.com and use the code Live Happy Now to get a five percent discount. Now, let's get back to my conversation with Deborah Heisz. There's one chapter that we both really like. Not that we didn't like the rest of the report but chapter four. Just to be clear, chapter four talked about altruism and how practicing kindness not only has it increased. But we've done just become more aware of the need for it. Obviously, that's something we at Live Happy have been talking about our entire existence, volunteering, donating to charities, helping others, and how good it is for you. Now, this behavior has increased. Do you feel like that is tied back to the fact that we weren't able to do it for a couple of years? [00:10:25] DB: Yes and no. I don't know that it's that we weren't able to do it for a couple of years, as much as it was, I think, when we started to recognize the need to give back in ourselves. Because we talk a lot about gratitude, about being thankful. Well, when somebody does something for you, and you're grateful. But part of that is the joy of giving. It really is people that rediscovered, okay, they had a little bit of loneliness. They had a little bit of – I think. This is what I believe. They had a little bit of loneliness. They had a little bit of extra free time. They wanted to do something to improve the world. The way they do that is by giving back. You see this a lot in young people, their overarching drive to make the world a better place. I think more people, because of the pandemic, they created an awareness in them that they needed to be doing something. Or they felt like they should be doing something. We don't want to ‘should’ all over everybody. You've heard that phrase before. But they wanted to do something to make the world better because it did create a lot of anxiety. It did create a lot of uncertainty about the future. I think in that uncertainty, a lot of people found solace and a place of belonging in giving back to the world around them. I also think, in some ways, it really highlighted need in a way that when you're in the car an extra two hours a day, you might have missed a little bit. [00:11:48] PF: Yes, that makes perfect sense. Of course, we don't have crystal balls. But do you think this pro-social behavior is going to continue increasing? Is this something that we overall are learning? Hey, not only is this good for my fellow man. It's good for me. What are your thoughts on that? [00:12:06] DB: I think a lot of this – I have kids, right? So Generation Z and beyond. I really think that that generation is more pro giving back, more pro-environmentalism, more aware of the economic disparity and resolving that for people. I think that they are more – so I think that because that generation will lead in the future, which always happens. The younger generation ends up leading. I think it will be there. Or more immediately, I think that people have gotten a great benefit from doing more for their fellow man. I mean, we talk about this all the time. You said we've talked about this from the beginning of Live Happy. Yes, the person you did something for is appreciative, and you've done something to share with somebody. But when you go do something like donate blood, which is on the up, by the way, more people are donating blood and things like that, you don't get an immediate impact on who did you help, right? But it helps you. You get an oxytocin boost. You get a sense of accomplishment. You get something out of doing that charitable activity, whatever it is, even if you don't interact with the person who ultimately benefits. So, yes, handing somebody Christmas presents at Christmas time, which is a big deal in the United States. We do all these Christmas tree angel drives, and you can meet at a church, and you get to and stuff out there or Thanksgiving dinners and things like that. I volunteered at a lot of turkey dinner giveaways, that sort of thing. Yes, it's great to be able to give something to somebody and see them, their thankfulness. But a lot of the giving we're doing, you don't ever meet the beneficiary. But you get the positive impact of it. I think as people recognize that it makes them feel good, we're going to continue to see more of that. [00:13:55] PF: I love that because you know I've talked about that, like I said, for years about how – if people would catch on to how good it feels to make others’ lives better, people would really be jumping on that bandwagon. Something that I found surprising in this report, I guess I had never even thought about it. But it said that science shows that even watching someone perform an altruistic act, watching them do something for someone else can boost your happiness. Then it'll encourage them to do their own act of kindness. I didn't even think about that. So from a science standpoint, you are great at the science of this. It's like why. Why does just watching someone do something for someone else give us that same hit? [00:14:39] DB: Well, I'd like to equate it with this is an unscientific answer, Paula. But I like – [00:14:43] PF: Are you going to say it's like a contact high because we can't use that? [00:14:46] DB: Well, yes, a little bit. But I'm going to say it's kind of like when you go see that movie. Or take movies out of it since most people don't have long-form attention spans anymore. How many news reports do you see that show people giving back and doing good in the world? People want to believe there's good in the world. It makes them feel good to see other people doing good. I had something happen to me yesterday. I got out of a cab and left my phone. I'm in the hotel lobby, trying to check in, when I realized my phone's gone. I go into an immediate panic. While the hotel desk was trying to figure out which cab I got out of, the cab driver comes back around the block, has a passenger in the car, gets out of the cab, runs into the lobby, and hands me my phone, and leaves. You could kind of see like the hotel desk was like, “Oh, my gosh. I can't believe he did that. That's so great.” They felt good about the fact that he did that, right? [00:15:37] PF: Yes. [00:15:37] DB: I felt good about the fact that he did that. Of course, I was the beneficiary in that regard. But we feel good when we see other people doing good. It reaffirms there's good in the world, and it creates a positive outlook for us is what I think. I don’t know. [00:15:51] PF: That makes sense. [00:15:52] DB: How many movies have you watched where somebody did something great, and you're like, “Wow, that's amazing.”? It just gives you that good, elated feeling and seeing other people good. But the other thing I do think it does do is it motivates you to recreate that good feeling by doing something yourself. If they did that, what can I do? I think that that is a benefit of things that we do like our Happy Acts campaign. That’s the goal with other people out there doing good things so that people see it. [00:16:22] PF: So there's so much in this report that we could dig into. We could just do like a whole year-long series based on it, but we're not going to. I wanted to find out what you thought the most interesting takeaway was from this volume. [00:16:37] DB: I think a lot of people will be shocked. My most interesting takeaway, and I think from talking about it with you, it's probably yours as well, that happiness in the Ukraine actually went up. Isn't that crazy? [00:16:51] PF: Yes. When I saw that, honestly, I went to the charts. I kept going back because I'm like, “I cannot be reading this right.” [00:16:59] DB: Right. [00:17:00] PF: It was. [00:17:01] DB: It’s startling. Ukraine actually moved up a few spots. I don't want to believe it's because the rest of the world moved down. You could take that negative approach to it. [00:17:09] PF: Everyone else is just sadder. [00:17:13] DB: But that's really not what the report showed. What they attributed it to was really interesting. It's that even though they're in a war-torn region, and certainly that would have an effect on overall well-being, specifically, in the people who live in the areas that are where the conflict is. Our news makes us think the entire country is completely in conflict all the time, and it's not. But what they’ve – yes, it's horrible than it's tragic. It's a horrible thing going on, and people are certainly negatively impacted. But why they are overall up, the report attributed really to the fact that they are united in a common goal at this point, which is really interesting that, once again, we're talking about population well-being, not individual well-being. But it really is interesting how that feeling of being united has put them in a higher position. I correlate this back to why do the Scandinavian countries typically dominate the top of this report. It's always been because there are homogeneous populations that look at the world the same way. So there's very little social conflict in those regions. In Ukraine, there's a ton of conflict but not among the Ukrainians because they're very united in their outlook right now. So I found that really interesting. [00:18:28] PF: Yes. The other thing about Ukraine because I went – I'm just geeky enough to go look at the actual little graphs in the report, and it showed that one of the areas where like they had dipped down prior to last year, they had dipped down in their confidence in their government. We know that's one of the measures that the council uses when they're doing the report is like your faith and your confidence in your government. Well, in the past year, their confidence in their leadership has escalated. So you think that's got to affect their happiness as well. [00:19:01] DB: It does, and it's interesting. I think it's interesting to point out that when we're looking at the Happiness Report, we are looking at the well-being of the overall society. Certainly, confidence in your government, your feeling of security that nothing is going to surprise you from your government. A lot of that is important. They do look at that, so yes. But that is interesting, and it's particularly interesting in our country, the United States. I know that people outside the United States listen to this podcast. I've met a few of them this week in Australia, and it's wonderful. Conflict that we see in our government, I think, and I think it shows in those geeky graphs you're talking about, negatively impacts overall well-being in the United States, the fact that we don't trust our government right now. We're very untrusting of where it's going. That shows up in these reports, and it's something that we struggle with because it's in our face every day. It's on the news every day. You and I have talked about this before. Regardless of where you are on the political spectrum, you can’t deny that there's a huge gulf and there’s polar opposites going on right now. That does impact where the US ranks on this report. [00:20:10] PF: So do you think we as a country can become happy if we don't heal that divide? [00:20:15] DB: I think that there's a lot of factors that contribute to it. I also – I'm Pollyanna optimist. You should know that by now. [00:20:22] PF: I like the way the rainbow sprouts over your head every once in a while. [00:20:25] DB: It does. It does. But I think that like everything else, I think that we will come back together at some point in time. I don't think it's unhealable. I think that you do see some steps towards healing all the time. It's just not overwhelmingly obvious to everybody. But there are things that people agree on that are better. But there's also a lot of conflict. I think that overall, it will always impact our sense of well-being as a nation, until we can get some of that resolved. I don't see how it wouldn't. But I do think that family conflict and more immediate conflict has a more significant impact on us as individuals. So it's one of those things that we're going to struggle with. When you have free thought and free speech, sometimes you really didn't want to hear what the other person thought. [00:21:12] PF: Yes. We’re finding that out a lot. [00:21:14] DB: Yes. It is challenging. But what's interesting is despite that, the US has moved up a spot, again, for the second year in a row. [00:21:22] PF: Yes, we're climbing that ladder. We're going to be in the top 10 like in three years. [00:21:26] DB: If we keep going that direction, which I think the first time I looked, we started at 17th. So we're getting there. [00:21:33] PF: This is great. I wish you had been in Dallas for International Day of Happiness. We could have celebrated it together. But we'll get it next year. [00:21:40] DB: So there’s more on the World Happiness Report we probably need to discuss in future podcasts. We have to geek out every now and then on the science. I'm always excited to be able to do that with you. So thank you for everything you do for us. [00:21:51] PF: Well, thank you. Thank you for letting me and thank you for geeking out with me today. [00:21:56] DB: All right. You take care, Paula. [00:21:58] PF: You too. [END OF INTERVIEW] [00:22:02] PF: That was Live Happy Co-Founder and CEO, Deborah Heisz, talking about the 2023 World Happiness Report. If you'd like to read more stories related to the report or read the report itself, just visit our website at livehappy.com and click on the podcast link. As we wrap up the month of March, we'd like to thank everyone who was part of our annual Happy Acts campaign. Just because the campaign is ending, it doesn't mean that your daily acts of happiness have to end. Follow us on social media or visit our website to be inspired with ideas to make your world a little bit happier every day. That is all we have time for today. We'll meet you back here again next week for an all-new episode. Until then, this is Paula Felps, reminding you to make every day a happy one. [END]

Follow along with the transcript below for episode: Happy Tunes for Happy Kids With Allegra Levy [INTRO] [00:00:04] PF: What’s up, everybody? This is Paula Felps, and you are listening to On a Positive Note, where I sit down with a songwriter, recording artist, or music insider to learn how music can lift our spirits and heal our hearts. Allegra Levy was a rising star on the music scene when she took a little detour. The acclaimed jazz vocalist began noticing that the lyrics of children's classic songs didn't really fit in today's world of equity and inclusion. And she also didn't want to raise her child with songs that had been musically dumbed down. So, she began writing her own jazz tunes children's music with a positive spin on mental wellbeing. And the result is a new album, Songs for You and Me, that drops April 7th. While you have to wait just a couple of weeks to hear that music, you can hear all about how it came to be and what she hopes to accomplish with this fresh take on children's music right now. Let's take a listen. [INTERVIEW] [00:00:59] PF: Allegra, thank you for joining me On a Positive Note. [00:01:03] AL: Thanks so much for having me, Paula. I really am happy to be here. [00:01:06] PF: You are doing such amazing things and we're going to get into what you're working on now and the work that you're doing with children. But you really have built your career, up until this point as a jazz performer. I was interested in finding out what is it that drew you to jazz? [00:01:22] AL: Oh, gosh, what is it that drew me to jazz. I grew up in this town called West Hartford, Connecticut, where the public school program had this amazing jazz program, and I went to see the show when I was like five or six. They put on this big show in town. I think I just saw the singer up there and was inspired. And then, my older brother started playing saxophone really young, and I grew up listening to John Coltrane and Sonny Rollins and Charlie Parker records in the other room. So, it just was part of the fabric of our family. [00:01:56] PF: That's terrific. So, at what point did you know that you wanted to pursue music as a career? [00:02:02] AL: Well, I have to say I've always had a lot of eclectic interests and I still do, which is always hard to balance. But I think I really was debating I either wanted to be a human rights activist, a human rights lawyer, or I wanted to be a jazz singer. [00:02:19] PF: Those are kind of ways apart. [00:02:21] AL: They are and they aren’t at the same time. They're both about getting a good message out there, hopefully, to try to make change for the better. And somehow, they converge constantly in my life. But yeah, I think I wanted to do music at a pretty young age. I was singing way before anything else and it's a beautiful practice. [00:02:42] PF: You're doing very well at it, because you can 2021 the DownBeat’s Critics Poll named you a top 10 rising star among jazz vocalists. [00:02:53] AL: I was honored to be in that list. It was an amazing list that year. I'm always honored to be included in any kind of thing like that. But I was also surprised. There's so much talent out there. So, you are being recognized, and probably I would think you thought your career was going to go down the jazz path. And then you had a daughter during the pandemic, and things kind of changed. Can you talk about how that changed your musical focus? I mean, I'm trying to bring the two together, I think. And basically, actually, before I had my daughter, we were all quarantining with my niece who was 18 months at the time, and there were six adults, an 18-month-old, two dogs, and a cat all in one house over the pandemic. [00:03:44] PF: Yay. [00:03:46] AL: It was quite a wild group, and I had my ukulele with me because I was trying –I couldn't play with anybody. I was just coming up with little songs for her and trying to help her not feel too worried about things. So, I wrote this little wash your hand song. And then I realized that I really loved the simple, funny little songs that you could write. And then when we – my husband and I started thinking about having a family, I started getting songs in my head. And then when she was born, it just kept happening, kept growing, kept growing, and she's constantly singing now. She'll be two in April. So, it was really just a natural occurrence. I've always written music about what's happened in my life. I've always have – all my albums are kind of autobiographical in a way. I can't do anything but write what I know. So that's what happened. [00:04:35] PF: At what point did you think, okay, I'm really going to do something with this beyond singing it for my child? [00:04:41] AL: I think after a while, I had had almost 15 songs together that were felt like I wanted to share them, and I started listening to the music that we had options for and you're so tired as a parent and you're just like, “Hey, Google play” – [00:05:00] PF: Anything for a child. [00:05:01] AL: Play anything for children. Please help me with this scenario. And you don't even have the wherewithal to really curate something. The stuff that I was hearing was very eclectic, and constantly, I hate to say it, but there's a lot of stuff. It was disappointing. And there was a lot of stuff that I didn't really know the history and I went back and I dug out the history. And I was like, “I don't know if this should be played for my kid. And I don't know if this is the best thing to play for our family.” So, yes, when I started to have a real book of songs, I thought, well, this could be something great and I want to try to push out a more positive mesh message if I can. [00:05:38] PF: I'm glad you brought that up. Because I know we grew up with nursery rhymes, and we'll talk about it now. That is horrible. The whole ashes, ashes, we all fall down and you go back in here, like the meaning of it, and down will come cradle baby and all. We're singing to this and being joyful little children singing about these things. And you really got into the meanings of the songs. What was it that really made you go, “Okay, I need to look into this.” [00:06:07] AL: There was a situation where I was at a school and somebody was having the preschoolers sing, Jump Jim Joe, which is a historical Jim Crow song. And a lot of the nursery rhymes are from those Jim Crow days. There are a lot of nursery rhymes where the meaning might not be connected to race at all. But it's connected to socio and economic status, or servants of some kind. It's really not necessarily a history that we want to be teaching our children in that context of this is music. This is your exposure to music. It's important to teach the history. It's important to say, okay, this music was a part of history, and this was what people were singing, but music is our culture. We really have to think very, very diligently about what we're teaching our kids and what we're singing to our kids. And yes, when I started looking into the history of some of the songs, the more I do, the more horrible it is in terms of not teaching diversity, equity and inclusion. Not teaching, just equality in general. I really wanted to be a part of a new situation where we're actually looking into a better future and making music for a better future together. [00:07:29] PF: Did it help you during the pandemic to be able to be writing the uplifting, joyful, happy songs, because that wasn't a great happy time for most of us? [00:07:38] AL: I mean, as a new mom, and during the pandemic, I definitely suffered a lot of mental health issues along with everybody. I was definitely like struggling with depression and anxiety and who wasn't? I think it was really important to keep things positive and try to have an outlet, especially because I couldn't play very often with other people the way I was used to, and having collaborators. So, it was important to have some positive music come out of that. [00:08:11] PF: And then also, as a musician, you probably have a really good understanding of how music affects our development in early years? [00:08:18] AL: Yes. [00:08:19] PF: Can you talk about that? And what music does for child development? [00:08:24] AL: Well, I think music does a lot for child development in regards to processing emotions. But I also think it's just healthy – music is the best thing for the brain. But something that I can talk a lot about is what you do as a kid really shapes who you are later in life. So, the music that you hear as a family, all that music that you hear together, that shapes who you are later. If I hadn't listened to jazz as a young child, I wouldn't necessarily be interested later. And it really can grow your mind exponentially. [00:09:02] PF: As you did that, were you thinking, “Okay, I've got to make something that parents will want to listen to.” Because it is a very cool family record. And I don't have children. I don't listen to a lot of children's music, but I got to say hip, hip hooray, it's an ear worm, and it sticks with you. And it's like, okay, I can sing this without shame. I doesn’t matter that I don't have children. [00:09:25] AL: Yes, for sure. I mean, part of what I set out to do was to create something for the whole family for everybody. Because the truth is, is that my husband and I are singing these songs all the time. Whatever song she's listening to, we're listening to, and I think I wanted to talk a lot about music being a family experience. Music should be a family experience. It shouldn't just be this is music for kids and this is music for adults. It's like we're all listening to this. This is part of our family life. So, yes, I wanted to grow beyond Baby Shark, although my kids still loves Baby Shark and she loves Cocomelon. But I wanted to try to enrich her ears with slightly more complex harmonies, but also listenable fun things to sing that are positive and good and not just repetitive mind-numbing, blah. [00:10:21] PF: Right. And something that if someone gets in your car, or gets in their car, and they've got your music on, their friends won't be berating them for having that. They'll be like, “Oh, that's pretty cool.” [00:10:34] AL: Totally. I think it's hard, because I don't know how much crossover there is. But I think there is. I think we ended up listening to – there's so many like, nursery rhymes that aren't so bad that have turned into regular pop songs that we listened to. We just don't even realize it, and that you hear at parties and that you dance to. That was kind of part of my goal. Also, some of it is for moms. One of the songs is called, It's So Hard to be You. That is maybe more for the parents than the kids. I mean, it is empathetic to kids, because there's so many moments where their whole world is crumbling. But it's also for – and you want to take them seriously. But it's also for the moms who just feel like, “God, this is so impossible. This is so hard.” Not only moms but everybody. I mean, who doesn't feel that on a day to day basis? Especially, if you have kids, but also, everybody goes through a lot of struggles. So, there's a lot of catharsis there in that song. [00:11:33] PF: Yes. There's so much joy on this album. One of the things that you talked about is that you really wanted to create something that reflected today's environment that has diversity and inclusion and equity. So, we know how important that was to you. But how did you go about incorporating big themes like that into playful songs? [00:11:54] AL: It's a tricky task. Some of it is how you live, right? Some of it is, if I’m writing this music, this is based on how I'm living, so I'm trying to model this life for my daughter, and then I'm trying to write these songs for everybody. It was it was a tricky task. I always feel like there's more I could do. I mean, it's actually true story that I was sitting in the room in the studio, and I felt like God, there's a lot of white men in here. I always try to be intentional about hiring people who I want to work with, but also hiring people of diverse backgrounds, because I think it makes the music better, and it makes the room have a better energy when you have lots of different perspectives. But I think in this case, I felt like, somehow, I ended up with a lot of new dads. I had a couple of really amazing new moms too, which so essential. But yes, I reflected later on that. And I was thinking, “You know what, I could have done better in that situation.” I'm always kind of thinking that way. I'm always trying to see where I can improve. Hopefully, the music, it might not be perfect, maybe years from now people will find fault there, too. I was trying to think about who is this for? In Hello Song, I was thinking about, that song is kind of like a vibe of it's a small world to the modern age. My husband speaks five languages. My daughter is being raised with three so far, and I just wanted to try to include as many different languages as I could there. She's also growing up with Spanish in the house. So, I wanted to do a song in Spanish and not just have everything from the same perspective. [00:13:40] PF: Yes. That’s great way to approach it. And then from an age standpoint, what age did you want to write this for? [00:13:45] AL: That was a hard test, because I honestly didn't really– I was writing for my daughter at the time, so she was pretty young, early, early, early years. But I wanted to imagine that this would extend to five or six or even seven. I did play a lot of the music for my nieces and nephews and my nieces go from age right now. My nieces and nephews are a baby to nine. And there's a four-year-old and seven-year-olds, and they were all singing it and they were getting it in their bodies and in their ears and giving me suggestions. So, I was hoping that this audience would be a pretty wide range. [00:14:24] PF: Yes. So, are you taking it out? Are you doing live performances with it? Or how are you delivering it? [00:14:30] AL: I am. I'm doing a big CD release show on Mother's Day, actually, which is – [00:14:36] PF: Awesome. [00:14:36] AL: – here in New York at the historic Third Street Music School. They have a really great educational program and one of the background singers on the album works there as a music educator. So, we thought it would be a great place to start. And then, I'm taking it to my hometown at the Jewish Community Center where I grew up, and we're going to do a show on June 4th there. It's a big project. I mean, the band is like 13 people. [00:15:00] PF: Oh, my gosh. How do you get 13 people assembled in one? That's a trick. [00:15:05] AL: I'm working on it. I’m working on it. It's very hard to do. And then, we're hoping to do more widespread shows, once things are released, and everybody knows about it. But it's new territory for me. [00:15:19] PF: So, how does this fit in with your jazz career? I mean, you're talking two different, very different audiences that you'd be appealing to. [00:15:29] AL: It is and it isn't. I mean, I think the only way for jazz to survive is if we get the youngest members of our society involved. And some of this, a lot of the record is jazz based, and everybody on it is a jazz musician. So, it's hard to get the jazz out of me. I think, it's so part of who I am, that it just comes out no matter what. But I really want to encourage improvisation and jazz to young children and young people and families. So, I think that's part of it. But it is definitely different in terms of like, where you're going to see these performances. I tried to get some jazz clubs. I was like, “Hey, do you want to do this kids thing?” [00:16:19] PF: They're really great for the bar tab. Lots of milk. [00:16:23] AL: I mean, I’m a bit surprised. Nobody was like racing for it. But I think they're wrong, because I think the only way they're going to keep butts in seats, if I can say that, the only way you're going to keep people coming to their club, is if they really invest in the younger generations. [00:16:40] PF: Build habit early on. Especially, if you're making it a family thing, that's terrific, because parents are looking for ways to go out and enjoy. If they can do it, and not have to pay for a sitter, and their kid can be entertained, winner, winner. [00:16:53] AL: And they hear the sound of it either. I'm hoping that there will be some likeminded people who will get the idea. It is very different, and I do worry – I have worried that maybe it will impact the critics or my colleagues and music, maybe they won't take me seriously. But I took the music seriously, and I really put a lot of time into it. So, I'm hoping that people will hear that and it will be a positive thing. [00:17:20] PF: Because they're not little ditties. If people are thinking they're just little songs that are made up. That's not it at all. The musicianship is there. The songs are there. It's quality writing. I think that's really what anyone who loves music is going to lock into. I used to listen to the group Trout Fishing in America, and they would release both kids and adult albums. As I was learning more about you, I really thought about them, and how they were able to craft this career that had two very different age groups. But then what happened is the kids grew into their adult audience. I can see how that would work with the music that you're doing. [00:17:59] AL: Yes, I think that’s definitely the goal. Some of the songs on there aren't even entirely just kids’ songs. I don't know. I mean, I hope that it will grow an audience. That is the hope, for sure. [00:18:13] PF: So, do you have more songs that you're working on? Or where are you at now in your process? I know you're working on shows. You're getting your live shows together. But also, as a writer and a musician, you probably always have new things percolating. [00:18:27] AL: Always. I always am writing new stuff, either in my head or otherwise. Right now, I am trying to spend time to just get this music out there and really make sure that that it gets a good, give it its all, I guess. But I am potentially going to record other jazz albums soon. I also have a dream to do kind of like it an all moms big band. [00:18:53] PF: Oh, my gosh, that would be so cool. [00:18:55] AL: Yeah, I think it would be awesome and I I've been dreaming it up for a while, kind of back to the days of, I don't know if you're familiar with it. But there's this, all this Ella Fitzgerald big band arrangements of things like Old MacDonald and they're just incredible. I would love to recreate something like that for live audience. [00:19:16] PF: That would be really exciting for people, because you take that familiar song, you give that kind of orchestration to it, I think people would get really excited about that. [00:19:23] AL: Sure. I mean, I think it's the best way to teach about improvisation. It's the best way to really get this more rich harmony into people's ears. Also, I just like the idea of all these women on the bandstand, of all different backgrounds and ages, and just what would it be like if you showed up to a concert as a young person and you were inspired by that? How would that change your worldview and your future? Because it's so much as impacted at a young age and if you didn't just see like the guys doing it. [00:19:58] PF: Right. Yes. See what you're opportunity is as a female to be able to get up there and do that. [00:20:03] AL: Yes. I mean, I also do a lot of work with the women in jazz organizations. So, that is part of my mission all the time and part of what I'm working on thinking about. [00:20:15] PF: That is so much fun. This is a fun journey. I'm going to be very excited to see where it goes, and how it unfolds. I appreciate you coming on this early in the game and talking to us about it. [00:20:25] AL: Yes. Thank you so much for having me. I hope that the people listen to it and enjoy it. And if anything, it just makes people happy. [00:20:33] PF: That's what it's about. Thank you so much for being here. [00:20:36] AL: Thank you. [END OF INTERVIEW] [00:20:44] PF: That was Allegra Levy, telling us how she is literally changing the tune of children's music. If you'd like to learn more about Allegra, check out her music, or follow her on social media. Just visit livehappy.com and click on the podcast tab. I hope you've enjoyed this episode of On a Positive Note and look forward to joining you again next time. Until then, this is Paula Felps, reminding you to make every day a happy one. [END]

Follow along with the transcript below for episode: Celebrate a Month of #HappyActs With Live Happy [INTRODUCTION] [00:00:02] PF: Thank you for joining us for episode 406 of Live Happy Now. It's almost March and here at Live Happy, it's our favorite time of year, and not just because of St. Patrick's Day. I'm your host, Paula Felps, and this week we are talking about happiness month, and how you can help celebrate it. Today, I'm being joined a Live Happy CEO and Founder Deborah Heisz, E-Commerce Marketing Manager, Casey Johnson, and Marketing Manager, Laura Coppedge, to talk about why we're so excited about this time of year, and how you can be a part of it. Let's have a listen. [INTERVIEW] [00:00:35] PF: I'm so happy to have all three of the ladies here at Live Happy. It's really exciting to talk about happiness month. We've been doing this for a while. And I'm so glad that we can sit down and tell everybody what all we have planned this year, because I feel like we're back for the first time in like three years. One thing people may not know about if they haven't been following Live Happy earlier, and we forgive them for that. They may not know what happy acts are and what this is all about. And Deb, I don't think anyone can explain it better than you can. [00:01:04] DH: Oh, thanks, Paula. Yeah, this is something we have been doing for quite a while. I think this is our ninth year of doing some sort of a Happy Acts campaign. I could be wrong. But I think it's year number nine. We better figure that out before it's year number 10. Really what we do is we take the month of March, and the reason why we selected March is because in 2012, the United Nations declared March 20th, the International Day of Happiness. So, March was kind of declared for us, but we take the month of March, and we use it as a month to share happiness and try and make the world a happier place through something we call our Happy Acts. That's Happy A-C-T-S campaign, and that's really composed of two different things. One is an online social media, people doing happy acts and sharing happy acts and pointing out the good things they see in the world, but also being intentional. And the other one is a walls project, which is walls that we put up. And we call them walls, but they're anything from a bulletin board to something stuck on your refrigerator, to a large wall in a public place like a park or a mall, more people make a commitment to do something to make the world a happier place. And we've been doing this for a while and every year it gets bigger. What we really want to use the month to do is to get people focused on the idea that they can take action, that people can actually take action to improve their communities around them and prove their own wellbeing and make a difference in the world. So, it's a lot of fun. We have a lot of fun around it. But also, it's a way of giving back. [00:02:40] PF: Can you tell us more about the 20th, which is the International Day of Happiness, and maybe some of the ways that people celebrate that? [00:02:46] DH: Well, the kingdom of Bhutan, actually, there was a study done a long time ago, they were kind of the happiest country on Earth. They petitioned the United Nations to declare that the International Day of Happiness. So, a lot of days, there's everything from International Donut Day to, National Take Your Dog to the Park Day, whatever it is, there's all sorts of days that are declared. But when we found out about that, it's about the same time that Live Happy was founding. So, we actually partnered with the United Nations for a couple years. I mean, we did presentations and got a group of speakers together to address the United Nations on happiness. And we did that for a few years. And then there are a lot of other organizations similar to ourselves that do some sort of social, or charitable reach out to celebrate internationally of happiness. But really, the concept of happiness is not – we've talked about this a lot, Paula. We're talking about happiness. We're not talking about taking that roller coaster ride that makes you have fun. We're not talking about whatever it is that makes you like jump for glee. We're actually talking about personal wellbeing. Being the person who you're supposed to be, being where you're supposed to be in your life, really being congruent in the choices that you make. And that's really what they mean by the International Day of Happiness. It's a day of how can we improve human wellbeing. And there's other organizations, like I said, that do similar things to what we do. But really, it has been a part of Live Happy from day one. We just think it's important for the wider world to know that you too, can make the world a happier place. You're not dependent on other people to do it for you. And so, it's International Day of Happiness. There's a lot of stuff going on around it. I know the World Happiness Report comes out on that day. I think this is the sixth one of those World Happiness Report, looking at which of the world's happiest countries and why, once again, happiest being a measure of wellbeing, population wellbeing. There are a couple of conferences that are held every year, but I really feel like we own the day because you don't have to do a lot to participate and anybody, anybody anywhere can participate in our Happy Acts campaign. It's super easy. It's super simple, but you have to take action and do something. You have to be intentional about it. And that's what I love about it. It's accessible to everybody. But it actually can make a difference and we have thousands of people involved every year and it's a wonderful experience. [00:05:12] PF: What I love about the happy acts is, if you're going to believe that it takes 21 days to build a habit, well, we have 31 days in March, and each of those days, you're giving us a happy act to perform. And I think it really gets your mind started of thinking of how am I going to do this? What am I going to do? I can see by the end of the month, where it's like, why do you need to quit? You're going to come up with your own ideas, your own thing that you could do to make somebody else happier, and we know that makes you feel happier. So, that's one thing that I really love about the whole Happy Acts approach. Casey, you always do an amazing job of putting together our happy acts for the month. You've done that again this year. Can you talk about the campaign, how it's carried out, and what some of the happy acts that you're encouraging people to do will be? [00:06:00] CJ: I would love to. So, as you mentioned, you know, we have 31 happy acts for the 31 days of March, every day in March. So, to make things easy, we offer a downloadable Happy Acts calendar that anyone can access for free at livehappy.com/happyacts. So, we encourage you to – you can follow along with our daily happy acts or you can make up your own. There's more than just 31 ways to spread happiness in the world. And we would love for you guys to share the way you're spreading kindness and happiness in the world by tagging us on social. We're basically on all social channels. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, we have a TikTok channel now, LinkedIn. And some of my favorite happy acts this year, just to give you guys a little sneak peek. They're small things like we've talked about, just small ways to make someone's day a little brighter, or even your own. But anyway, so for example, if you see like a cashier at the grocery store, having a tough day, buy them their favorite candy in the checkout line, and you'll see their face brighten up or make a funny TikTok with your friends or your pet, volunteer at your favorite charity or donate. They're small little things that make a huge impact. [00:07:14] LC: I think the one – this is Laura. I think the one that I love that’s new, because some of these we have been using for nine years, Deborah, if you wanted to clarify that. We've been doing him for a year as. I love that Casey, one of the ones you came up with this year was to plan an errand date with a friend. I mean, how great is that? It's making – and that's part of this too is like looking at our perspective of how can we make even our own day a little bit better. It's our mindset on it. We have to run errands, and it's drudgery, but we take a friend along, it's a whole different experience and I love the simplicity of that. [00:07:51] PF: I think it's really important that we start learning, it is small steps that move us into wellbeing. There are the big steps that everybody talks about making these huge shifts, and that seems overwhelming. But moving into a space of happiness and wellbeing really is about the small little habits that you build on every day, that you look back after a while and realize that you have changed your perspective, you've changed your mood, you've changed your life, because of those small changes. [00:08:16] DH: I think it's really important to point out something you said just a minute ago, Paula, which is some of the habit forming. Doing positive things, taking action, doing happy acts, can become a habit, but it only takes 21 days, really, to build the habit. A lot of studies say that that's the optimum time. And once you've done something for 21 days, it's easier to do than not to do. So, these happy acts, take this month and build happy acts into your regular every day. Form that habit. Form that habit of being optimistic. And these are not huge things. I mean, it is, buy a coworker a cup of coffee. Write a thank you note. Make a call to someone you haven't talked to in a while. Check on a neighbor. There are all sorts of things and the calendar that we've got out there on social media, great suggestions. It's wonderful to take March to do that. But after that, continue the practice, because our goal is not to have a really happy March. Actually, move the needle, right? [00:09:18] PF: Right. It’s the setup. [00:09:20] DH: It is the setup. Yes. [00:09:23] PF: Casey, where do they get that calendar? Where should they look for that? Because I've seen it. It looks terrific. It makes it fun. It's something they could print out, put up on their wall, put in their cubicle, whatever they want to do. Where do they go find that? [00:09:34] CJ: Yeah, they can find that on livehappy.com/happyacts, and we're really excited. We have a new format this year. So, we hope you guys enjoy it. [00:09:42] PF: And then each day on social media, they can look and see what the happy act for the day is, correct? [00:09:48] CJ: Yes, yeah. If you're following us on social, we'll be posting every day, so you can repost ours and make your own, just anyway, spread the word and just celebrate happiness. [00:10:00] PF: Very cool. [00:10:00] DH: Please follow us on social. Both social and then our email newsletter which goes out every other week. It's just content to help you improve your life and wellbeing and a lot of stuff that we put out there should make you smile. So, it'll make you pause and think. I mean, it's all good stuff to see in your feed. Right? I'd rather see something from Live Happy in my feed, than whatever the hot thing is that's being purchased, that's being pushed on you to buy right now or politics or vote for this or whatever it is. I'd rather – I mean, wouldn't you rather have your feet filled with stuff from Live Happy? [00:10:32] PF: I would. [00:10:33] DH: I would. [00:10:35] CJ: I would too. Maybe we're biased. [00:10:40] DH: Maybe a little, Casey. Maybe just a little. [00:10:43] PF: Well, Laura, you're really leading the charge on these happiness walls. And these are so cool. You and I actually really bonded over the very first happiness wall that we did in Chicago. We'd never met before. Brand new to Live Happy. [00:10:56] LM: 2014. So, yeah, 2014 in March 28th in Chicago, became my best thing. [00:11:05] PF: Yeah, so happiness walls have a special place for me. But you're leading that. Now, talk to us about what to do with them, how you can do it. Because what I do love is how you've really expanded the definition of what a happiness wall can be, and made it accessible to literally everyone. [00:11:19] LM: Right. When we first started out, they were these big, kind of – and they still are a very – it's just a social interaction campaign. We're not asking anybody to give us anything. We're not giving anybody – it is very much social awareness of what are you doing and what can you do to share happiness. How will I share happiness? In what Casey was talking about on social media, we're talking about 31 suggestions of doing it. When we really talk about the wall interactions we have, it's really kind of a pledge of what will I do. What little thing will I do, can I do, did I do today to share happiness.? The great thing about that, and Deborah started talking about that, is they can be. We've had these big orange walls of the Bean in Chicago and various places around the world, honestly, when we were really doing international interaction there for a while before the pandemic kind of slowed that down. But it's also like, it's a bulletin board. It's a wall in the middle of your mall. But it's also, we have a poster that you can get that talks about how you're going to share happiness and asking different people how they'll do that. One of the ways that we have been doing it in my house, and I know at Deborah's house, with our kids is we have one that we put on the refrigerator, and do every year. My kids, every year, we have done the paint positivity on a rock and leave it around the neighborhood somewhere. They still love that. When we started this campaign, Deborah and I, both of our kids were young, elementary school kids, and now we have teenagers. That's one of those things that the art on and the messages on the rocks have greatly improved, for sure. [00:13:01] PF: They’d come a long way. [00:13:03] LM: The sentiment is still been the same and they look forward to that interaction. And I think, talking about it being a social awareness campaign, our kids growing up with this concept, and knowing this is, like they know Valentine's Day is coming. They know that Easter is coming. For our kids, they know that the International Day of Happiness is coming and March is coming. That I think, has made them much more intentional with how they're doing small things that are good for the world, and still saw confidence in them. That's been a wonderful thing to kind of watch and see and how they ask deeper questions over the years about why they're doing this and what it means to do it. So again, Casey said that all of our resources are on livehappy.com/happyacts and we have on there. But what we really ask people to do, because we're interested in where people are doing this, is to go on and register your wall. And if you plan on doing something at your school or at your community, that's wonderful. We have some lesson plan guides for schools to use, for elementary schools to kind of talk about what the International Day of Happiness is, and talk about how they can do things for the world and people around them. But also, if you're just going to do it in your cubicle work, or at your home, let us know the name of the city and these of where you're going to do that. Let us know where we are spreading that joy in the world. We have walls in Mexico and Canada and across the pond in England and France and it's a wonderful thing to see. Again, for us largely too, the work that we do day in and day out makes a difference and people are paying attention and wanting to better themselves and wanting to better the lives of their communities. So, on the website again, there's like we have all sorts of has pictures of walls, like if you're like, “Okay, this sounds like a great idea”, but I'm not a Pinterest-y creative person. We have inspirations. There are all sorts of like, creative ways that people have done that. So, there's a whole page that can give you some ideas and inspiration on that. And again, we have the calendar, you can download. But we also have just a simple wall that you can place on your fridge that you can download that the kids can fill in, that you can fill in, that your coworkers can fill in at work. [00:15:31] PF: But all you're doing is telling them how you're going to share happiness. It's not – [00:15:35] LM: Yeah. It's kind of the flip side of what I want to do going forward, what I want to bring out to the world. Even if it’s, I'm going to be more mindful of parking streets, so I don't take it to places in the grocery store. I mean, it can be such a small thing, or I'm going to volunteer more of my time in the coming months. I'm going to reduce my carbon footprint. That's one of our 31 apps this year. It's taking that today and moving it forward in our lives. [00:16:10] PF: Yeah. And what's really cool about doing it is if you don't have any ideas, you can steal someone else's from the wall. [00:16:16] LM: Absolutely. Yes. [00:16:19] DH: So, I think it's interesting to talk about that this is what we're doing. But if you haven't done this before, this is the way a wall works. Wherever you are, it's a wall. We like it to be orange, for branding, and then there's a card that says, “I will make the world a happier place by”, and someone writes something down, and he put it on the wall. Now, if you haven't done this before, it's kind of an interesting experience. Because if you see someone in a mall or something like that, and there's a bunch of people walking around, you're thinking, they're trying to sell me something. And so, people are like, “I'm not interested.” And it's like, “You're not interested in happiness?” And then they kind of go, “What?” You go, “No, we're not selling anything. We just want you to fill out a card, make a commitment to make the world a happier place.” And they're like, “Oh, what religion are you?” “No, no. We're not a religion, either. We're just out here, it’s International Day of Happiness.” And you'd be surprised to how people engage. In order to have them engage, we've had that experience the grumpiest person will stick around for two or three hours and join in asking people to fill out cards. It's the craziest experience. Those are our big public walls. And it's phenomenal, because it really is good to be able to stop and go, “Hey, there's something good. I can do something.” But we made it – I'm going to say it's a huge change. But it's only a huge change, because we haven't made any changes in the past. We made a change to our in-home wall this year. And I think it probably sprung out of it fact that Laura and I have teenagers. So, teenagers and accountability don't really go well together. This year's downloadable wall is seven days, it's got seven spaces, so that every day, your teenager, or your child, or you, or your spouse, or whoever it is, can fill out for a week, one week, what did they do to make the world a happier place that day. So, this is a change for us. And I think it really kind of comes out of the fact that our families are getting older, and we start seeing it engaged and not a desire to change it up, but a desire to make it more meaningful. Because if everybody writes down what they did today, you can have a conversation about it. It's that dinner conversation that we try and have around our table. What good happened today? Well, as opposed to what good happy today it's, what good did you do today? So, I think it's going to be an interesting take on it. I encourage those of you who would love to host a public wall to find out more about that. Go to livehappy.com/happyacts. Or go to live happy.com, there's a Happy Acts on the navigation that you can see. Go there, read about happiness walls. If you're a teacher, we do them in schools, classrooms. I think pre-pandemic we had more than 2,000 walls in 37 countries, the last year pre-pandemic. It's a huge boost in the classroom to get kids thinking about it. I know our principal puts it on the calendar and asks us what day we're going to come in and do it. So, it makes a difference if you're a teacher. If you are a manager in an office, put one up on a bulletin board. If you own a small business, put one up where people can come in and see it. I think the person hosting the wall, the person doing it and taking the effort actually gets a ton out of it. Because you get to spend your day talking about happiness, and making the world a better place. And it really does give you that feeling of accomplishment, that feeling of I did something, but also you get to engage with a lot of people that you might not ordinarily get to engage with. So, check it out. Once again, live happy.com/happyacts. There's a lot of information there. Register your wall. We'll be doing a bunch of giveaways during the month of March. People who register their wall or share happy acts, random giveaways, would just like to spread some share by randomly giving away some Live Happy gears. So, check it out, register your wall, join us in celebrating Happy Acts. It's something we do for the month of March every year. But really, it's something we should be doing all year round. [00:20:14] PF: I love it. So, as we wrap it up, what looks like success for this year's Happy Acts campaign? [00:20:21] DH: Success looks like more people sharing on social media their happy acts and getting a lot – I mean, my goal is, we haven't really talked to number yet. I guess we probably should. But my goal is to get at least a thousand home walls, at least a thousand people to do a home wall, and add that to the schools and the businesses that we already typically. Get Happy Acts walls going forward, and just to grow this. That would be my goal. But also, sharing on social media. Wouldn't it be great to see in your feed all the happy acts are doing? Well, to do that we need more people participating, and we need more people to just go ahead and create videos, make your Reel about the happy acts you did that day. What about the happy act someone else did that day? Or something that makes you happy. Make your Reel, your TikTok, whatever it is, your Insta. Let's just flood social media with as many happy acts as possible for the month of March. We’ll have a larger impact that way. [00:21:16] PF: I love it. Well, Deborah, Laura, Casey, I appreciate you, as always, sitting down with me. You're doing such wonderful things to make the world a happier place. I'm excited to get going on this year's Happy Acts. [END OF INTERVIEW] [00:21:32] PF: That was Deborah Heisz. Casey Johnson, and Laura Coppedge, talking about our Happy Acts campaign and the International Day of Happiness. If you'd like to learn more about how to join us for a full month of celebrating happiness, share your happy acts with us on social media, or post a happiness wall in your home, office, church, or school, to celebrate the International Day of Happiness on March 20th, just visit our website at livehappy.com and click on the Happy acts Tab. We’re for excited to see you there. That is all we have time for today. We'll meet you back here again next week for an all new episode. And until then, this is Paula Felps reminding you to make every day a happy one [END]

Follow along with the transcript below for episode: Playing It Forward with The Accidentals   [INTRO] [00:00:04] PF: What’s up, everybody? This is Paula Felps, and you are listening to On a Positive Note, where I sit down with a songwriter, recording artist, or music insider to learn how music can lift our spirits and heal our hearts. Sav Buist and Katie Larson were shy high school students when a music education presentation changed the way they saw their future. A decade later, they front a trio called The Accidentals, and have earned glowing album reviews, while packing venues with their live shows. But because they've never forgotten how that high school presentation changed their lives, they also host and lead workshops around the country to inspire young musicians to find their voice and use music to improve their mental health. They're here today to talk about all those things and how they are changing young lives one song at a time. Let's take a listen. [INTERVIEW] [00:00:53] PF: Sav and Katie, thank you so much for coming On a Positive Note. [00:00:57] SB: Thanks for having us. We're excited. [00:00:59] PF: You have such a fascinating backstory of the way that you got into music as your lifelong career. Can you talk about how you met and how that grew into your career? [00:01:12] KL: Yes. Sav and I met, what, 11 years ago now. [00:01:16] SB: Oh, goodness. [00:01:17] KL: It’s been a lifetime, and we were both really shy high school students interested in music. The thing that brought us together was our high school orchestra program in Traverse City, Michigan. Our public school had a great strings program, but most importantly a conductor who was really interested in alternative styles and opportunities for young musicians. So Sav and I were in a quartet together at one point, but we also were in the alternative styles for strings club, which was this really dorky group where we'd get together after school and play sheet music arrangements of Coldplay and Led Zeppelin on our cello and violin. So we do our little pop and rock music and and folk tunes and jazz tunes, and make our own arrangements sometimes too. There is a duo called The Moxie Strings, who came in to teach a workshop on improv. That also kind of opened our eyes to musical opportunities, and there's not just one way to carve your path in the music industry. Like you can be in a band. You can write music. You can produce and record and tour and teach. So that really inspired us. From the beginning, Sav and I just started playing tunes together around our hometown in Traverse City, Michigan, and writing music, and recording, and touring. 10 years, 11 years later, we're in Nashville, Tennessee and still playing music full time. We see each other like every day. Yeah, so still making music. [00:02:56] PF: That's terrific. So prior to having that experience with Moxie Strings, did you see yourself having a career in music? Or did you know how much that you could do with it? [00:03:05] SB: We did not I don't think. I mean, we definitely knew music was always going to be a part of our lives, but I don't think those dreams would have come to you as much fruition have we not had role models not just in The Moxie Strings, but in the Michigan music community as well. Both sets of our parents are musicians. So that kind of told us it was possible for sure, and they were super supportive once we decided that's what we wanted to do. I definitely had like all kinds of passions, and Kate does too. What's nice about the career that we have is that we've been able to get to a point where we can pursue all those passions and have music as a full-time job, which is pretty amazing. We're really, really lucky to be able to do that. [00:03:48] PF: One of the things that's so impressive is how big you are on music education and giving back to youth. Do you think that was inspired by the experience you had as high school students? [00:03:58] SB: Oh, definitely. Yeah. Because we wouldn't be a band had it not been for our high school orchestra program, like a public music program. That's the thing is that Kate and I were also introduced to sort of unorthodox instruments from the time we were 11 because there was like a local public music program that helped kids come up from like age 11 to the end of high school, just playing instruments, saxophone or violin or cello or any of those instruments. Not every public school has one of those programs. Or sometimes, they'll have an orchestra but not a band or a band but not an orchestra. I even heard one instance where the school no longer had a budget for musical instruments, and so they threw them away. So there are some really – I mean, we can acknowledge that we're really lucky to have grown up in that program because we literally wouldn't be a band without it, and we wouldn't have been shown these instruments and gotten the chance to do something really new on them. But also, it's important to us that every kid has the opportunity to try something new and to find a way to like vocalize or, I guess, verbalize their emotions through music. [00:05:08] PF: That’s a great point I wanted to bring up because when someone who's not musically inclined or doesn't put a value on it the way that we do, they hear music education, and they think, well, they're taking band classes, and they don't really think about all the things that you learn through music education. Can you talk about what students are getting emotionally when they start going through a music education program? [00:05:31] SB: Totally. We like to joke that music is cheaper than therapy. That's like how we opened – [00:05:37] PF: [inaudible 00:05:37]? [00:05:38] SB: Yeah. We're [inaudible 00:05:38] because it's true, though. Like we use music and writing lyrics or sometimes even just writing instrumental pieces as outlet because we're both really introverted. Especially back in high school and middle school, we were really, really shy and didn't make friends easily and playing music in an orchestra for kids who don't want to play a sport. It’s really nice to have that community, and you can start forming friendships, without even talking that much. Because music is sort of its own language, and it sometimes can do all the talking for you. So, yeah, that’s really important for us. Go ahead, Kate. [00:06:12] KL: Yeah. I was so bad at sports. I tried every single one. I think what it came down to, for me, I'm definitely a perfectionist. I'm competitive with myself, but I don't do well in other competitive settings. Whenever we play sports in gym class, I would just feel like, “Let me get out of here.” I think it took like extra math classes to get out of gym once. [00:06:37] PF: That's hardcore. [00:06:39] KL: What I liked about music was I was having a hard time like solidifying an identity in school. When I picked up the cello, like it just felt like something that I instantly bonded with, and it was a portal to songwriting. Like I can strum chords on the cello. I could write music on the cello. I could play my favorite songs. I could – It was almost like meditating, practicing sometimes. So that was really good for me personally. But like Sav said too, when you're playing in an ensemble, like you're learning all sorts of teamwork skills. You're learning listening skills. A lot of improv is really 90% listening and then, I don't know, 10% being fearless and jumping right in, which I took jazz band for two years at our public school, and that taught me like just keep going. Even if the tune is flying by, if you get lost, like just keep going. Just so many skills. We both were in the pit for our musical theater production. Later, we went to an art school called Interlochen, and we took like choir classes and poetry classes, and learned how to incorporate things like history and current events and art into our songwriting and music. So there's a lot of education where music is like a really good portal. [00:08:03] PF: Then how did you start becoming involved in music education? Because it's a lot of work just to be a recording artist to be writing songs, to be touring, doing all that. Then you've added this whole other dimension to it. How did that start? [00:08:17] SB: Well, it's actually kind of been around for a while for us, simply because like when we're touring, oftentimes, we'll be in a town for like maybe six or seven hours, mostly at the venue. But there's like a little bit of time before that, where we can probably go into like a elementary school or a high school and do a workshop. Oftentimes, we'll just ask teachers like, “Hey, what's your curriculum currently like right now? Like what are you guys struggling with?” They’ll be like, “Oh, we need kids to like find an emotional outlet, or we need them to like learn how to take chances and be fearless.” We'll go in and kind of structure workshop around that. But that's something that's always been really consistent with who we are, and we've kind of had that almost since the beginning of the band. [00:08:59] KL: Yeah. I think almost there's certain benefits of going into schools, while you're still 17, 18, 19 years old. I think when we were first doing that, a lot of the first opportunities were us just coming in and playing songs and doing a Q&A or just talking to other students about what we did because we were basically their age or a few years older. [00:09:23] PF: Right. And they're going to listen to you. [00:09:26] KL: Yeah. I noticed. So we've definitely like shifted our approach. Now, I'm 26, and Sav is 27, and we've evolved and adjusted but definitely feel a distance growing every year from us when we go into the schools. So the very early stuff, I mean, it was us just talking and performing. It was a lot less formal. It doesn't always need to be really structured, I think. [00:09:53] PF: That's great. Then is that the Play It Forward, Again and Again initiative? [00:09:57] KL: So Play it Forward, it kind of combines two different things that we were passionate about, and we finally got nonprofit status in 2020. That was one of the benefits of – [00:10:06] PF: Congratulations. [00:10:07] KL: Being off the road is that we were able to get the paperwork done for that. But really what we've been working on prior to that was one part is getting instruments in the hands of young students and also mentorship. Because we've seen so many students who've had to give up playing like viola or another instrument because it's too expensive. So before the nonprofit, we would do fundraising campaigns. Like one time, we did a kick starter for a young girl. I mean, it was instantly funded by – [00:10:39] PF: Oh, my gosh. That's amazing. [00:10:41] KL: And she got an instrument right away. So part of Play It Forward, Again and Again is based on that. Another part is to get more musicians and more bands into schools to do performances and workshops, sort of like what The Moxie Strings did for us and what we've been trying to do for students who were on the road on tour. [00:11:03] PF: How hard has it been to get other musicians involved? [00:11:07] KL: There's definitely a different approach. You kind of have to get your feet wet in it because I think a lot of time, touring musicians, we get into like our flow. We do like a show every night for a similar audience. Then when you get in front of a school, like a group of students at any age range, it's like a totally different experience. Like a group of five year olds, they're going to be honest with you. If you're not entertaining, you'll know. But in a way, that's like the most pure form, I think, because they're not there to judge your technique or to think about your – Overthink the lyrics or anything. They're there to have a very pure musical inspirational experience. So anyone that we've talked to who has gone into a school, like they've gotten out of it with like just such an appreciation for music. [00:11:59] PF: What do you consider a success when you're walking out of a classroom situation? [00:12:04] SB: Honestly, I think it's just successful if somebody takes away even a little piece from it, which oftentimes one of the songwriting workshops that we do is we like pass out a bunch of books, and then we'll ask students to pick a sentence out of every book. Then we'll go over to the wall to like a whiteboard, and they'll read off the sentences. We'll write them down, and then we'll show how you can change a couple of words and start to put together an actual verse, even from widely different material. I think we used like an RV Cookbook once. [00:12:33] PF: Oh, my gosh. [00:12:35] SB: We've used like all kinds of crazy books, and we always get something out of it. Then we'll ask students to finish the songs. Oftentimes, we'll get like these songs through our email that are like completely finished, like either lyrics. Or they'll like pick up some chords and start putting it to that. That, to me, is like peak success from a songwriting workshop or from a workshop in general is just seeing them be excited about it and take it home and like apply their own creativity towards finishing it. Because just knowing that somebody believes you can do it, I think, is a huge aspect of actually finishing something. Not everybody believes that they have the ability to do something. There are lots of times where we go to a town, especially like a smaller town, and we'll teach a workshop, and the kids will be like, “Yeah, that was great. But I don't think I could ever do that.” So we've really had to restructure to make it like, “No, this is something everyone can do,” and made it really inclusive because that's what art is supposed to be, and that's what art is to us. [00:13:32] PF: In doing that, you're completely changing the way they're thinking about it, right? [00:13:36] SB: I hope so. [00:13:36] PF: Now, they're going to – Their mind is going to start seeking that out like, “What could I do with that? What can I do with that phrase?” You're like really opening up the way that they think about how they discover their creativity. [00:13:47] SB: Yeah. Like there's a song we have. A friend of mine, a childhood friend, passed away really suddenly, and I didn't have any closure. So I was trying to figure out how to write it down because that's sometimes the first step towards acknowledging and healing. I was having a hard time describing what grief actually felt like, and so I started looking around at household objects. The line ended up being “Grief’s a sheet of tin foil that I crush inside of me.” So I tell kids about that line because it's like you might think it's stupid on paper when you first look at it, but somebody is knowing exactly what you're talking about in that moment. Most importantly, you know exactly what you're talking about. That's helping sort of unravel some of these things that are super hard to find the words for. Sometimes, it's easier to sing it. I'm really interested in neurobiology too, not to go on a big rant. But like there's some really interesting stuff about music that pulls people who are having sort of debilitating memory issues. It's almost like an entirely different aspect of memory that music is attached to, and I think it also is attached to an entirely different aspect of emotions, where sometimes it's easier to express how you feel through music rather than having like a full hard conversation. [00:14:57] PF: Absolutely. Right now, with kids having gone through such a difficult last three years, and they're not able to process – Adults aren't able to process what all has happened and how it's affected us. So do you see that coming out through music? Do you see them being able to manage their emotions better and deal with what they've been through? [00:15:17] SB: I hope so. I think it's important that we try. It's important that we keep workshops like this going and initiatives like this happening and not to bring it back to public music programs. But I really think that's a huge aspect too is accessibility and belief and having the right tools is important. [00:15:35] KL: Yeah. We just did a collaboration with a youth studio orchestra in Cleveland called the Kaboom Collective. [00:15:42] PF: That was my next question, so good. I'm so glad you brought this up. [00:15:46] KL: I think that was a really good example because we had to stop touring in 2020, like everyone else did, and we were doing upwards of 200 or 250 shows. That tour with the Kaboom Collective was really one of the first big tours we did back and, exactly what you're saying, was the experience of a lot of students, who they were between the age of 15 and 25, and a lot of them had missed out on their high school graduation, prom, like – [00:16:17] PF: Turning 21. [00:16:18] KL: Yeah. Senior trips, college, like freshman year. These are all things that they kind of had to experience in isolation. I know for sure like a few of them were having maybe a difficult relationship with music at the time and nothing quite like being on a stage. We had one show on tour that was in Grand Rapids, Michigan at the Frederick Meijer Gardens Amphitheater and performing in front of 4,000 people live and feeling that energy. I thought that was really cool to talk to the students after that show and see a lot of them say like, “Wow, I didn't know this was part of music. I didn't know this connection was part of music.” That was a really good feeling. [00:17:06] PF: Tell us a little bit more about that collaboration because you had the album with them. What was that like, both for you and for the students, to have this entire experience together? Honestly, you could have done it yourselves. For you to bring along a student orchestra was just incredible, and what a ride that you gave them. [00:17:26] SB: Well, what's funny is I think we really couldn't have done it because they did all the arrangements. The students did. Again, they're like 15 to 25-year-olds, who took the initiative to like completely figure out our songs and then the emotion behind the songs and what it should be and how they could amplify that beat arrangements, which is a super amazing skill set to have at 15 years old. To have your name on a record at 15, to have like your name in an old music guide, it's just ridiculous to like be able to actually do that. I mean it in the best way. It's completely amazing. So I wish like I had done this when I was their age. [00:18:05] PF: I know. It's like you wish you had been there for you when you were that age, right?   [00:18:08] SB: Yeah. But like, tangentially, we're so honored to just be able to work with them because it really was like kind of a treat for us, as much as it was for them. Touring together, yeah, the logistics of taking like 40 students on the road with like all their instruments, including like upright basses and tubas and everything we had, that was quite a process. It took like a whole amazing team of people to put it together, including our manager, Aryn Madigan. But, yeah, it was just a wild time. So we're really excited that it happened and panned out. We learned a lot, just by being around them. They're all like so nerdy. They knew like every classical piece that you could name. Then also, we're like listening to these cool punk indie bands, and it gave us a lot of not to say like hope for the next generation because there's always something good in every generation to find. But it's really amazing to hang with the future of music and to kind of see where that's headed. Both of us were just really excited about it. [00:19:12] PF: That’s terrific because your music is – It's not just about the music. You are about spreading joy, and you are really working to make this world a better place. Why is that so important? [00:19:24] KL: It helped us. I think that's a big piece of why we keep doing it. I mean – [00:19:31] SB: Yeah. It’s a selfish aspect of our – [00:19:36] KL: I mean, music is not always – It's like a long-term relationship. I mean, it's a way to express creativity. It's something that, I don't know, we live and breathe, and it sounds kind of cliché. But we see it impact people day-to-day. We also have that experience with people who are not musicians. We have like a page on patreon.com, where people support us, and we do just random things. Like we do a tour blog every week, but we also interact with our patrons on Zoom, doing like book club, and we review favorite albums that everyone submits. Having that relationship, we see and we hear stories from our patrons about like how music totally changed their lives, even if they're not a musician, and just like listening to music or seeing a show how maybe changed the relationship with their parents or their children or relationship with themselves. So I think that those little things inspire us because some days, you go online, and you're like, “Why am I making music? TikTok is – I just spent like three hours on TikTok and like five people viewed this thing.” You know what I mean? But then when you hear a story like that where you see the impact, then it's like, “Hey, we should keep doing this.” [00:21:04] PF: Yeah, because you're making such a difference. Now, you're in Nashville, which is where I'm located too, and it's such a great songwriting community, such a nurturing community. Has that changed your relationship with the music? Has it changed your songwriting? What has it done to be here? [00:21:21] SB: Yeah. So what's funny is that we have kind of shifted to another side project. So we have The Accidentals generic rock band, and then we have Kaboom Collective and like collaborations and workshops and use music initiatives like that. Then on top of that, we have a co-writing project, where it's a series of EPs that we write and record. We write them with people who inspired us to become writers. So these people include Tom Paxton, Gary Byrd, Georgia Middleman, Maia Sharp, Beth Nielsen Chapman, Gretchen Peters, Mary Gautheir, Jaimee Harris. Like the list kind of goes on and on. But we basically write songs of these people, and then we compile those songs into EPs that we self-record and engineer right here in my very messy studio, Crooked Moon Studios. Yeah, so that's been going on for the past couple of years. It kind of started right before the pandemic hit, and one of our first co-writes that really kicked off the idea of putting them into a record was with Kim Richey, and it was over Zoom. We just love the song so much, and we love the idea of writing over Zoom so much during a time of isolation, we'd say, to keep it going. So a lot of the songs were written in isolation. Now that we live in Nashville, luckily, we can actually be in the same room with the people who inspired us to become songwriters in the first place, as we write the songs together. So it's just a really amazing experience. I like to joke that co-writing in Nashville is like the equivalent of getting a cup of coffee everywhere else. Or it's like the first thing that comes up half the time is like, “Oh, yeah. I've heard about you. We should write a song together.” It's happened so much while we – Since we moved here. That's been a really great aspect, and we've also done a ton of session work this year. Kate and I, we played violin, cello, viola, and upright bass. We essentially serve as our own quartet or orchestra if we're doubling parts. So we've done a ton of session work this year. We've gone to a lot of studios. We've recorded a lot remotely here at Crooked Moon Studios, which is our studio here in Nashville. Yeah, it's just been a really awesome time living in Nashville and getting to actually hang with the people who inspire us. [00:23:23] PF: That is terrific. So looking down the road because even though you've been doing this for 10 years, you're young, and you've got a lot of highway ahead of you. What is that future going to look like? What is your legacy that you want to leave behind, as you do so much good with the next generation? [00:23:42] SB: Man, I think we just want to leave something behind that continues to sort of unite people's emotional platform. Not everybody knows how to find what works for them emotionally. I think like leaving songs behind shows that – It sounds like cliché, but like you're not going through something alone. People have experienced the same kinds of grief or the same kinds of pain. Just having a song that speaks to you sometimes helps unravel that not. So I think that's why we write songs. That's why we put music. But it just does a lot of the really difficult work of sort of untangling what's hard to verbalize, and it’s like an initial step to healing. That’s like sort of the intangible part of what we want to leave behind. I think our idea of like physical success is just to be able to do this for a living and to continue to record or continue to write, continue to do workshops, and continue to put out albums of music that speaks to us, whether we've written that collaboratively, or we've written that therapeutically for ourselves. [00:24:43] PF: That is terrific. Katie, do you have anything to add to that? [00:24:46] KL: Like Sav said, that hopefully some of these students that we're teaching when we're retired, and Sav is like studying wolves in Alaska or something, and I'm like on a goat farm. Hopefully, like the animal life that there'll be more music and people stepping in our shoes and continuing to try to make the world a better place. [END OF INTERVIEW] [00:25:14] PF: That was Sav Buist and Katie Larson of The Accidentals, telling us how they're inspiring the next generation of musicians while living their dream. If you'd like to learn more about The Accidentals, check out their music, or follow them on social media, just visit livehappy.com and click on the podcast link. I hope you've enjoyed this episode of On a Positive Note and look forward to joining you again next time. Until then, this is Paula Felps, reminding you to make every day a happy one. [END]