Transcript - How Humor Makes You Happier (and Healthier!) With Chris Duffy

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[INTRODUCTION]

[0:00:03] PF: Thank you for joining us for episode 565 of Live Happy Now. April is National Humor Month, and what better way to kick that off than to have a laugh with this week’s guest. I’m your host, Paula Felps. And today I’m talking with award-winning comedian, television writer, and radio, and podcast host, Chris Duffy, whose new book is Humor Me: How Laughing More Can Make You Present, Creative, Connected, and Happy. Chris is here to talk about why laughter and humor is so good for us and tell us how we can get more of it in our lives. Let’s have a listen.

[INTERVIEW]

[0:00:38] PF: Chris, thank you so much for joining me on the show today.

[0:00:40] CD: Thank you so much for having me, Paula.

[0:00:41] PF: You are the perfect guest to kick off National Humor Month because you have a terrific book out called Humor Me.

[0:00:47] CD: I literally wrote the book on it.

[0:00:49] PF: You literally wrote the book.

[0:00:50] CD: I can’t kick off this month, nobody can.

[0:00:53] PF: We’ll just scrap it. It’s not a month anymore.

[0:00:55] CD: Listen, nothing would be more appropriate for humor month than deciding in 2026 we just scrapped it. Sorry.

[0:01:00] PF: There was not enough humor to be had.

[0:01:03] CD: Nope. We decided not the year for humor. So, we’re moving on. We’re going to tragedy month. And that one is going to be extra-long.

[0:01:11] PF: Yeah, that’s going to go for about six more months. So tell me how you first discovered the power of humor and laughter.

[0:01:19] CD: Well, I’ll give you two answers. One is that I just think my whole life, I’ve always loved laughing with people. I felt like that’s like such a magical thing. Being a guy who is horrible at sports, this was often the way that I bonded with people. Because it was like I couldn’t bond over athletic ability. So, I was like, “But what about my ability to make puns and remember Simpsons episodes?” It’s always been a way that I’ve made friends with people. And I’ve always admired people who can make people laugh.

But the other answer and kind of the inspiration for why I wrote the book was I had a period of my life where things were very not funny, and I was really humorless. I kind of had lost the laughter in my life. And the biggest thing for me was I had lost the idea that it was important, right? I was like, “Humor is just like this light frivolous thing.” What I need to do is be serious. I need to work on hard issues. And when things are tough, I need to put my head down and just grind away and not waste time with goofing around.

I basically felt that my life got really bad. It was less fun. I wasn’t as good at dealing with the hard issues. I certainly wasn’t as much fun to be around. And when I started laughing again, I realized, “Oh, this is this piece that has been missing that I think people,” myself included, “don’t often give credit to.” That’s where the inspiration for the book came from.

[0:02:27] PF: Because we do get that message that, at a certain point, we’re supposed to settle down. We’re supposed to straighten up, get serious, get to work, do all these things. And we push humor and laughter out of our lives.

[0:02:39] CD: Yeah. One of the people I talked to for the book, Nuar Alsadir, is this incredible psychoanalyst who was also a trained clown. She trained with a Parisian clown master. And you don’t often see those, a serious introspective explorer of the mind and clinician who also is a clown.

But something that she talks about is how often the things that make us laugh the most. If you’re watching a comedian’s act, the biggest punchlines delivered in a different context would be therapeutic revelations, would be things that you would say in therapy. You didn’t have an audience there, and you weren’t delivering them the same tone. You would say like, “That’s very interesting. Let’s talk more about that.” Or, “Okay, that seems like a big revelation.”

And the other thing she says that I think is really relevant to what we’re saying right now is how we’re so often told as we get older to behave yourself. And really what behave yourself means behave less, right? Like kids, they have this really imaginative world of play where anything is possible. And the older we get, the more it’s like, “Well, this is what’s normal, and this is what’s abnormal. And you better stick in the normal.” It’s a bad way to live.

[0:03:36] PF: Yes. Because you did not stick to that. And at what point did you decide that you could make a career out of humor? Because you’ve cultivated your comedy career in so many different areas with the radio, podcast, your streaming game, you’ve done writing.

[0:03:49] CD: Yeah, I’ve done a lot of different things. Partly, I would say 90% of the reason I’ve done so many different things is my interests. And I like to do a lot of different things and use different parts of my brain. And then 10%, that is the nature of making a career as an artist, is you have to have a lot of different irons in the fire going. Because who knows which one will be dependable?

But for me, I started because I was teaching fifth grade at Boston, a school with a lot of great teachers, but kids who were in often really rough situations. Kids who are dealing with poverty, and homelessness, and food insecurity, all the real, big, heavy issues that you see in in an elementary school that has a population that’s not always having the most privilege.

I was there, and I was working, and it was really hard. And just as a way to blow off some steam, I started performing at the local improv theater. First, I took classes. And then, eventually, I was one of the house teams there. And then I was doing standup, because I was like, “Oh, let me try that.”

At a certain point, while I was still teaching full-time, I realized enough people are coming to see me perform that maybe if I had like a part-time job, I could come close to paying my bills. And I had never thought about having a job as a comedian before because I don’t come from a family with entertainment connections. My dad worked for the Port Authority. If I wanted to work on a bridge or a tunnel, that was where I had my in. For me, saying, “Do you want to be a comedian? Do you want comedy to be your full-time job?” was kind of like, “Do you want to be the prince of England?”

[0:05:07] PF: Right. Yeah, that’s attainable. Sure.

[0:05:08] CD: Yeah. It doesn’t seem possible, but an interesting thought experiment. When it seemed possible, all of a sudden, I realized like, “Oh, if I don’t try this, I think I’m always going to regret not knowing.” The great part about teaching is I asked the principal, I said, “If I try this and it doesn’t work, can I come back?” And she said, “We hire new teachers every year, and we like you. So, no promises, but almost certainly yes.”

It kind of took a little bit of the risk off that I thought my worst case scenario is I just have to make ends meet for one year and then I can go back. And in that year, things really worked. I created this public radio show where comedians interview scientists about their work. And that kind of took off and became a public radio show, which paid a lot of the bills. And then I was doing standup. And I got my first TV writing job in kind of year two and three, and it just went from there.

[0:05:52] PF: No looking back.

[0:05:54] CD: Oh, always looking back, I have to say. Constantly looking back. Always looking over my shoulder. Forward, backward, all around.

[0:06:00] PF: It’s like, “This is too good. What’s going on?”

[0:06:02] CD: Yeah. Also, well, I also have the thought sometimes of like, “Huh, what I was doing there so clearly mattered. I better make use of this.” So, that’s something that I always wrestle with.

[0:06:11] PF: I love that. Which is harder? Being a fifth-grade teacher, or being a stand-up comedian?

[0:06:16] CD: 1,000% fifth-grade teacher. I mean, 1,000%. First of all, stand up comedian, it’s like a rare day that you have to be on stage for more than three hours, right? That would be like a huge amount of time. Whereas a teacher, you’re on stage for eight hours minimum. Plus, then you have to go home and do all this lesson planning. And the biggest thing is not a single person wanted to be in that room. Nobody was like, “I drove four hours to be here because I’m such a huge fan.” They were all like, “I’m legally required to be in this room.” And so you can win them over. But you start out at a place where they’re not like, “Hey, this is my fancy night out.” Instead, they’re like, “I could have been in bed. I could have been at home watching TV.”

[0:06:55] PF: Maybe if you started giving a two drink minimum in the classroom.

[0:06:59] CD: Yeah, that was one of the big things I advocated for in the elementary school, is I was like, “Can we just get the –” I feel like the bartender is really incredibly slow. None of these kids have had a drink all day.

[0:07:09] PF: We need to work on that.

[0:07:11] CD: Yeah. I was constantly saying, “We got to get the bar service up.”

[0:07:14] PF: It’s hard. Funding’s not there.

[0:07:15] CD: What’s your background in comedy and in laughter?

[0:07:18] PF: It’s funny because that was actually one of my career goals. My parents were terrified. Because when I was a child, I said I either wanted to be a writer, a comedian, or a drummer in an all-female band. And they were like, “Oh, dear God, this child.” The writing thing worked out.

[0:07:34] CD: Can I get a health insurance? That’s for sure. But you’re going to be the coolest person on the planet.

[0:07:37] PF: Exactly. Yeah, the writing thing worked out for me. And used to write a humor column for newspapers and things like that.

[0:07:44] CD: Yeah, I can tell you have that natural quickness that I think people who have worked in comedy professionally have.

[0:07:49] PF: Oh, thank you. Thank you. I do want to ask you how you took all this vast knowledge that you’ve gained on humor, and you’ve turned it into this book. It’s fantastic because you really put it in perspective. And I wanted to know if there was anything that you learned while you were working on the book that might have surprised you about how good humor is for you and how important it is.

[0:08:09] CD: Yeah, I feel like I learned a ton that surprised me. I’ll give you three things. Three things that I think are practically useful too that I learned that I was surprised by. The first is I knew going into writing the book that I was skeptical of the idea that laughter is the best medicine, right? People say that, and I’ve always been like, “Yeah, if I went to the emergency room, and they were like, “Here’s some knock-knock jokes,” I’d be like, “This is not what I’m looking for. I actually would love for you to set my broken bone and perhaps do an appendectomy if my appendix needs to be removed. That’s much better medicine than some good jokes.” I knew I was skeptical of that.

But what I was really surprised by when I talked to ER doctors and when I talked to psychiatrists who used to run the anxiety lab at UCSF, they all kind of universally said, “Sure, that’s true. Penicillin is better medicine than laughter.” But they all said that laughter can have a really important role in medicine, which is changing your perspective of the experience.

And they told me that’s a actually a really important clinical outcome is to see what’s happening to you in a different way can transform how you recover. It can, for example, lead you to need fewer doses of painkiller if you are viewing the experience as like something that can be laughed at versus like a hopeless painful experience. And so I thought that was really fascinating.

And in particular, something that I took away was there’s a nursing home in Hong Kong that ran an experiment with their residents where they had people keep track of things that made them laugh and then bring these humor folders to a group where they shared them with each other once a week. They would say, “Here’s a cartoon that made me laugh, or here’s a comic, or here’s an article in the newspaper, or here’s a story I heard.” And just keeping track of that, just having that list in that humor folder and sharing it made a really significant impact in residents hope for the future in their enjoyment of life, their sense of connection, and, again, in the amount of painkillers that they needed to use over the course of a week. I think that idea that just keeping track of what we laugh about and sharing it can actually make us have a much more enjoyable, pain-free, connected life, that was a huge insight to me. I would not necessarily have expected you could find it in a clinical trial.

[0:10:08] PF: And I love that story because, one, that’s something that we can all do. And what they then were training their brains to do was look for the humor.

[0:10:19] CD: Absolutely. They used to see it more and more.

[0:10:21] PF: Yeah. Because that’s something we use in our household is how fast can we make this funny?

[0:10:25] CD: Oh, I love that.

[0:10:26] PF: When the wheels come off the bus and you have that moment, and then it’s like, “Okay. Well, how fast can we make this funny?” And then we find ourselves kind of competing with trying to outdo because we both think we’re the funniest one in the house. And so then you’re kind of competing to make it funnier than what the other person thinks.

[0:10:43] CD: I love that. I’ve never heard that before. And I genuinely going to steal that for my own life.

[0:10:47] PF: Absolutely do.

[0:10:48] CD: A lot of times, people are skeptical, and they say is it really true that anyone can have more humor in their life? Aren’t some people just born funny and not born funny? And what you just said, I think, is a perfect example of why it really is a muscle, right? It’s because sometimes it’s hard to find the way that something could be funny. But the more that you do it and the more that you have someone else doing it with you, so you see how they do it, those become muscles, those become little tricks that you see that then it gets easier and easier and easier.

It’s not like everyone can do it at the same level immediately. But I think anyone can get better at it, so there’s more laughter in their life. I think about it the same way as like I’m never going to swim like Katie Ledecky, right? I’m not going to be an Olympic gold medalist. But that doesn’t mean I can’t get better at swimming in the pool.

[0:11:26] PF: I love that approach.

We’ll be right back with more of Live Happy Now.

[INTERVIEW CONTINUED]

[0:11:37] PF: Now, let’s hear more from Chris Duffy.

[0:11:41] CD: Another thing that I learned that I was really surprised by is there were a bunch of different psychological studies that I learned in doing the research that showed that if you laugh at your shortcomings when you’re in a job interview, if you’re willing to laugh at yourself, people will like you more. They will also think that you are more competent and be more likely to hire you. And the one that I love the most that makes me laugh every time is there was this study where they had people rate job candidates, and they didn’t know that they were actually rating like a lab assistant who was reading from a script.

And so people came in. And, of course, everyone rated the people who were qualified for the job more highly than the people who were not qualified at the job. No surprise there. But the people they rated the highest were the people who were qualified for the job but had just spilled an entire cup of coffee on their shirt before they came in for the interview.

[0:12:21] PF: Oh my god. Really?

[0:12:21] CD: People came in and said, “Oh my gosh, I’m so sorry. I just spilled my coffee all over myself. I look like such a mess.” Those people were rated more highly than the people who did great at the interview and hadn’t spilled a cup of coffee on themselves. And the takeaway for me from that is that we think people want us to be perfect. We think people want the most impressive, flawless version.

And in fact, other people prefer the you who is trying hard but a little bit of a mess. And so much of humor comes from that. And so I think I loved that, and that really surprised me, that the more that we can laugh at ourselves, the more other people will like us. And they’ll actually like us more than if we weren’t a mess in the first place.

[0:12:56] PF: If you’re going for a job interview, you should put mustard on your shirt or something, right?

[0:13:01] CD: Yeah. Give yourself a scalding hot coffee bath right before you walk in the room. I will tell you, that is not real advice. Don’t do that. You could really get hurt.

[0:13:07] PF: Don’t sue us.

[0:13:07] CD: Yeah, please don’t sue me.

[0:13:08] PF: We’re not McDonald’s. We don’t have the money.

[0:13:11] CD: I think that the lesson is being authentic. If you fake it and you pour coffee on yourself, it’s probably not going to go well, because they’ll be like, “Why is this guy so obsessed with the fact that he poured coffee all over himself?” Whereas, if you acknowledge the reality – like you said, how fast can you make it funny? If whatever happens is okay because it’s something you can laugh at rather than something you need to feel ashamed of, that’s how you impress people and make them want to connect more with you.

And I’ll tell you, the last thing that surprised me in the book, which is not really a big thing that you can put into place in your own life, but that I was just shocked by is I was doing research on how groups form with laughter. And why in-jokes and callbacks over the years, and you have this humor with your friends that makes you laugh over 20 years, why that’s so powerful.

And I found out that Abraham Lincoln was famously hilarious, and that he had tons of jokes with the people he worked with. We think he’s really serious because of how he died. But in the time, he was thought of as like a really, really funny politician who used humor a lot in his approach to connecting with the public, but also in his approach to managing a cabinet full of people who really hated each other and were often at odds.

[0:14:11] PF: Gosh, politics have changed so much.

[0:14:14] CD: Yeah. People who hate each other and are at odds?

[0:14:17] PF: That just seems weird.

[0:14:19] CD: A country split down the middle sometimes violently? Yeah, that’s totally unrelatable.

[0:14:24] PF: So now I’m going to have to go back and read more about Abraham Lincoln because I want to learn more about his humor.

[0:14:30] CD: The problem though is hundred-year-old jokes are so rarely funny because we don’t have the context for them. I read a bunch of his jokes, and I would be like, “Aha.” The only one that I thought was genuinely still funny is when he was in the Lincoln Douglas debates. At one point, he was accused of being two-faced, and he said, “If I had two faces, would I show you this one?” Which I thought was a great joke about being ugly. I think that was really good.

[0:14:52] PF: That’s so good. Did researching the book change anything about the way that you approached your own humor?

[0:14:58] CD: Yeah, I think it did. I think the biggest thing is rather than thinking that humor and laughter is kind of a light, unimportant thing, I think it made me realize that it actually is crucial for how I’m able to get through the world, and for my relationships, and for the kind of person that I want to be. It’s not just like, “Oh, and I happen to laugh.” But what really matters is that I volunteer at the food pantry. It’s like, “No. What really matters is that I am able to laugh with the people at the food pantry, which is why I didn’t just volunteer one time.” You know what I mean? Because it was fun.

And I used to think that was like, “Well, that means that I’m not actually a good person because I’m just coming because I have fun with them.” I’m not coming because it’s such like a charitable gig. And instead, it made me realize like that’s the reason why things happen often is because we can make them fun and laugh while they’re happening.

[0:15:38] PF: And did you get into why it’s important for us to laugh every day?

[0:15:42] CD: Yeah. I think the biggest thing is there’s a ton of research that shows how huge social connection is for our health, mental health, physical health, but genuinely for how long you live. One of the biggest predictors of your lifespan is how many social connections you have and how many possible social connections. And often when you hear research like that, if you’re anything like me, you’re like, “Oh, great. I got like more homework. I have to call people and talk to strangers.”

[0:16:05] PF: I got to make friends.

[0:16:05] CD: I got to make friends. It’s so hard. It’s going to involve putting myself out there. It’s going to be like anxiety-producing. And the thing that I love about humor is humor makes that happen naturally. It just makes it so that it’s like fun, and magnetic, and easy. Where when you’re laughing with someone else, you’re not thinking like, “Okay, and now let’s move to bonding level two.” You know? You’re just like, “I love this person. She’s making me laugh so much. I love that.” I think that’s the biggest thing that I’ve learned is that if we can have more humor in our life, we will naturally have more connection. And if we have more connection, we will have more health, and well-being, and a longer life.

[0:16:41] PF: And then how can humor help us process the daily ups and downs and the division that we have going on right now? There’s a lot of stuff going on that’s really tricky. And how can we use laughter to help us through that time?

[0:16:56] CD: I’ll give you two answers to that. The first is that when we are laughing with someone else, we’re connected. It’s clear that we are both seeing something in the same way. That’s what the point of laughter is almost always, right? It’s like, “Hey, you and I are talking. We’re in this moment of connection. And then we see something in the same way, and that is what makes us laugh.” On the one hand, it can make us feel less alone. In itself, that level of connection can help bridge division and help us to get through troubled times.

The other thing though that I think is the biggest thing missing in so much of conversations and especially public dialogue and politics, but not just in the United States nationally, it’s also true internationally, inability to recognize that you might be wrong, that you might be misguided about something, that you might have it complete wrong way around. And scientists call this intellectual humility. The understanding that you may not feel the same way you feel today, tomorrow about something that you think is one way. It could actually be the other. And I think laughter, laughing at ourselves, allows us to acknowledge that really well.

For me to say like I wrote a book on humor, but it’s totally possible that in two years I’m going to be like, “Turns out humor was the worst thing in the world.” That’s like a lot of people died because they read my book. I hope it doesn’t happen.

[0:18:01] PF: I’m Sorry.

[0:18:03] CD: Sorry. Yikes. But being willing to laugh at ourselves rather than like double down on something that is obviously wrong. To me, that’s one of the most important skills that people could have these days is to not feel being wrong means that you are shameful or bad, or something that has to be covered up, but is instead a point of connection and joy that other people are going to embrace. Because they will embrace it if you do it in a humorous way.

[0:18:24] PF: So, what if someone is sitting here, they’re listening to it, and they’re like, “Well, I used to be funny, or I used to enjoy humor,” and they want to kind of cultivate that again in their lives? What are some ways that people can start learning how to use humor?

[0:18:37] CD: I’m going to give you a little bit of a roundabout answer, which is that I host a show for TED, like the TED Talks People, called ‘How to be a better human.’ We interview people about their big ideas, and the question is always like, “How would a regular person put this into place in their life?”

And there’s such a desire, I feel, in myself, for there to be like some secret life hack, right? If you do this thing that you’ve never thought of, that will change your life forever. And so often the thing that actually makes a huge difference in your life is kind of simple and obvious, but it’s just something you’re not necessarily doing because it’s maybe not the easiest thing to do, or you haven’t put the energy into it.

And so I think the biggest thing that you can have to bring humor back into your life is to start with just building that muscle of noticing things that are funny. I would just start by just going through a week and finding anything in that course of the week that makes you giggle, or chuckle, or laugh out loud, and write that down. Keep track of that. And then find people who make you laugh. Find ways that that laughs.

And over time you’ll have this list of things that organically make you laugh, because there’s no one thing that makes everyone laugh. And then when you’re in a hard time and you want more laughter, you can go back to your list of things, and think about that memory, or watch that great movie, or see the clip of outtakes from The Office, or go to Reddit, contagious laughter, and listen to people laugh and have that make you laugh. And you’ll get better the same way that you, in your life, Paula, the same way that you have the thing of like how quick can we make it funny. The more that you build that as a muscle, the more that happens. I would start with just noticing. Notice what makes you laugh and who makes you laugh.

[0:19:58] PF: I love that advice. And I know you teach improv. Can you talk about how you’ve seen laughter and humor change people’s lives? And I’d also love to have you address why it’s important even if someone doesn’t want to get on a stage, what taking improv classes can do for them?

[0:20:10] CD: Oh, yeah. Well, I first of all think that the entire point of my book is not about making more people performers. In fact, that’s totally separate. The point is, for me, I’m so much less interested in how you deliver the joke than in how you see the world. How do you get the material? Because I think that’s something everyone could benefit from is walking through the world and seeing things that are delightful and odd, entertaining and making themselves laugh. That’s what I want is I don’t care if you’re the most introverted introvert and never want to share this even with a close friend. That’s fine. I want you to have more laughter in your life anyway.

The biggest thing that I think improv can do to transform your life is to help you to see other possibilities. To see that every moment has many ways that it can go, and so many of them are laughter. And we often choose to send it into conflict, and depression, and sadness rather than an interaction that is whimsical, and delightful, and odd. But that’s always a possibility.

And a therapist that I interviewed for the book talked about how one of the big reasons she thinks that humor can be really great for people with anxiety and depression is because it introduces something she calls therapeutic ambiguity, which is the idea that the way we see things might not be the only way that we can see them. We can laugh about the idea that like I think this is going to happen, and then this is going to happen, and then this. And we can laugh about the idea that it’s not necessarily certain that that path that we’re so sure of is the only way that things could go.

And often that can be funny, but that can also be a really big breakthrough for people who are dealing – I often have these spirals, where I think this interview’s going to go bad. Then I’m going to lose my job. Then I’m not going to able to pay my bills. Then I’m going to lose my house. Then my family’s going to be – my family’s going to leave me. It’s like that’s a huge jump. And that’s not the only way that you can view things.

[0:21:42] PF: I love that. I love that. Yeah. Humor, laughter, such incredible tools. And so, as we let you go, what is the one thing that everyone listening today can do to start bringing more laughter into their lives?

[0:21:54] CD: Find something that has always made you laugh and revisit it. Whether it’s your favorite comedy movie, or a story from your family that your aunt or your uncle tells that always makes you laugh, that story about the time that they stood up in the boat and fell off the boat into the mud, or a clip that’s from The Office that’s an outtake. Find the thing that has always made you laugh. Don’t worry about it being like new, and clever, and creative. Find something that makes you laugh, and just laugh. Enjoy the laughter. And then share that with someone else and ask them to show you something that always makes them laugh. That’s the number one thing I would ask you to do.

[0:22:24] PF: That’s fantastic. Chris, thank you so much for coming on the show. We’re going to tell our listeners how they can find you, find your TED talk, find your podcast, find your book. They can just find all the Chris that they can handle.

[0:22:35] CD: You got a lot of homework. And listen, you don’t have to do all that. I’m just a buffoon who’s been here for half an hour basking in the genius of Paula. Take it or leave it.

[0:22:42] PF: Well, I suggest they take it because you have a lot out there that they can check out. And I appreciate you coming and sharing your time with us today.

[0:22:48] CD: Thank you so much for having me. This has been an absolute pleasure.

[0:22:55] PF: That was Chris Duffy talking about the power of humor and laughter. If you’d like to learn more about Chris, watch his TED talk, ‘How to Find Laughter Anywhere’, check out his podcast, stalk him on social media, or discover his book, Humor Me, just visit us at livehappy.com and click on this podcast episode. And while you’re there, sign up for our all-new Sunday Sillies newsletter. The easiest way to make Sunday nights 10% sillier and 90% less scary. Every Sunday night, we’ll drop a tiny, joyful note into your inbox. Something short, sweet, and guaranteed to make Monday feel a little less Monday.

That’s all we have time for today. We’ll meet you back here again next week for an all new episode. And until then, this is Paula Felps reminding you to make every day a happy one.

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In this episode, you’ll learn:

Why humor is essential for emotional and physical well‑being.
How self‑deprecating humor increases likability and perceived competence.
Simple ways to rebuild your “humor muscle.”

Visit Chris’ website.

Discover his book, Humor Me: How Laughing More Can Make You Present, Creative, Connected, and Happy

Subscribe to his newsletter, Bright Spots

Watch Chris’ TED Talk, How to find laughter anywhere

Follow Chris on social media:

TikTok: @ChrisDuffy
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